Cops Overreacting?

[crazy_eoj]

Just got this article and link emailed to me. Looks to me like a rider fan (guy with the cheesy mustache...surprise) instigating problems through the police. Add in some alcohol and we have a full blown incident.

Although can't see for sure why there were after any of those guys....

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Video+McMahon+cracks+down+rowdies+What+think/3337018/story.html

[Childress]

Why are these incidents only when the Riders come to town?

The guy in a red shirt obviously did something previously. He also didn't want to cooperate with the police when they arrived and deserved what he got. When his buddy gets in the face of the cops, he gets what he deserves. I have no problem with the cops taking down jerks, and it doesn't matter what colour they are wearing. In my opinion, they could bounce a lot more people than they do.

I can't believe the cowardly anarchists that throw things at the cops while they are doing their job.

This video is one of the reasons we don't have 30,000 fans. Many people who have an interest in going to games won't go after seeing something like that. It makes McMahon Stadium look like a bunch of out of control thugs.

[JoeSixpack]

Idiots. When the cop asks you to leave, you leave. The first guy they approached did the exact right thing - they tag you, you get up and move to the asile and explain yourself then. Getting in their face and/or completely ignoring them is NOT going to win you any friends. It's not like the cops are going to say "oh, he's ignoring me, I guess we'll move on to someone else".

Morons.

[thecoach17]

I don't mean to be insensitive about this, but what is the big deal with the rowdy fans? I mean I get it when there are some overly rowdy fans it gets annoying and can ruin the experience for 1 or 2 fans close by, but as a person that has worked security for a major arena and stadium for major events, having 15-20 people ejected in a 35,000 person crowd is peanuts. That's like a half of a half of a percent of the people that are atteneding. I've seen more people get kicked out of a bar/caberat of 500-1000 people in one night. Not saying that it's acceptable for people to act like retards, but it's not like it's a mass riot of 35,000 people...it's one in every 2000 people.

And there's no way anyone can blame anyone on this video....just like every other police brutality video...the camera's never start rolling until the cops show up and start being forceful...you never see what lead up to it. The dude in the moustache may have been the guy retaliating to something that didn't get noticed at first...no one knows for sure.

[KYTO]

Well this is what happens when people get too intoxicated..They lose any sort of good judgement..Everyone becomes tough guy when they're loaded..Does anyone remember in the 80s when they stopped selling beer at McMahon, it lasted all of three games.

[CaptainCrunch]

If you want to get pissed out of your mind to the point that you think your superman, then good for the cops for showing you that you're infact not bullet proof let alone beatdown proof.

[iso_55]

It's always the cops fault & NEVER the drunken thugs & punks in the stands... Funny how that works.

[Doogie58]

Originally Posted by KYTO

Well this is what happens when people get too intoxicated..They lose any sort of good judgement..Everyone becomes tough guy when they're loaded..Does anyone remember in the 80s when they stopped selling beer at McMahon, it lasted all of three games.

Never happen again. Too big a revenue hit now, and all it does is just creates a bigger security issue at the door, for people smuggling in hard liquor, which is even worse. You can't search everyone thoroughly enough to control it effectively or it would be a 3 hour wait to get in the gate probably.

One thing I wonder, is do they post more security in the sections that get closer to the "Suitor 50/50" mix of fans as opposed to the middle of the stands which are predominately Red and the greens that are there (Regina or Edmonton) are more than likely season ticket holders who aren't going to crap their own beds so to speak. That way security can see issues developing before the CPS has to wade in (and now ALWAYS on YouTube) and look mean and nasty while just doing their jobs.

I'd have a hard time not beating the absolute crap out of a guy resisting arrest, if I was a cop. I don't like their policies in the parking lot, sniffing beer cups, but I full heartedly endorse CPS using WHATEVER measures to get these drunks out of our stadium. Maybe if they gain a reputation of NOT being so kind, and you ARE going to get hurt by them if you cause a disturbance in the stands and resist arrest, then people might think twice about pulling the crap they do.

Kind of like the Mexican jail theory - you don't pull crap in Mexico, no matter how much beer & tequila is involved, because you just KNOW the federales will hurt you and Mexican jail ISN'T going to be any fun. And you may not get out for a VERY long time. Just sayin......

[RJ*]

what did the cops do wrong here?
Nothing

Figure out the names of the jerks that resisted, and make sure they dont come back. In a perfect world, there would be some footage of the people throwing beer cans, and they could go bye bye too

The police didnt start using force until the jerk resisted him, and after that, they did their best to get the situation (which wasnt good but hardly a riot) resolved quickly

[10 Inches Deep]

I support the authority but hands around the throut is not a usual hold that is defendable in court using on a seated suspect. Generally a firm grip on a forearm and the back of the neck or shoulder, stand him up and cuff or pin to the ground then cuff. If there is an investigation unfortunately the officer has alot of explaining to do. My big question over the actions at the game why do we not have the multitude of Rider fans pictures posted that were arrested and/or abusive to the police. On the East side there were atleadt a dozen Rider arrests and what no pictures. One Rider assulted a police officer and again no pictures for the forums of shame? I feel that it may be time to cut off the beer flow after a certain point in the game. 1. It will or potentially curb the problems. 2. It might help us get home alot safer from drunk drivers or the LRT Gladiators after the games. We only see what is reported during the games why don't the reporters ride the LRT to atleast down town to show the mayhem. Over crowding, bullying, violent acts and/or behaviour, men and women urinating in public and the vandalism. The So called security at the games is a joke. The police services do an excellent job but the Back Stage Security Ltd. employees are too agressive and unprofessional. Are they all actually liscenced? Look at how many of them are just grubby bastards that can't even wash thier T-shirt uniforms. You know the quality of security when they only wear a T-shirt for a uniform. Hire Professionals to be along side the police services and we will have less problems or they will be handled better atleast.

[RJ*]

10 Inches, I think thats a very good post

Im no expert on policing, so I wont comment any more on that aspect of things, but I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of making sure that security knows what the hell they are doing.

I wouldnt want to be a cop- you're almost darned if you do, darned if you dont. They do a great job 99.99999% of the time, but people always seem to want to talk about the odd mishap, and that just aint right.

[10 Inches Deep]

After reviewing the video I noticed a weasel wearing a Ridiot Jersey hosing beer onto the police and unlawful participants. If anyone recognizes that stuge contact your local police detachment and turn him in. At 2:04 you see the hero doing his best community watch impersonation. Definately a candidate for the punch me in the face please club. Loser.

[thecoach17]

Originally Posted by Doogie58

Never happen again. Too big a revenue hit now, and all it does is just creates a bigger security issue at the door, for people smuggling in hard liquor, which is even worse. You can't search everyone thoroughly enough to control it effectively or it would be a 3 hour wait to get in the gate probably.

The Riders dabbled with the banning booze issue after the beer can throwing incident. In the end it ended up looking like FAR too big of a loss in revenue and a bigger security risk...now people would likely just smuggle it in, and they would likely get piled before the game, so rather than dealing with people reasonably sober at the start of the game and gradually getting worse, they would be dealing with people that are trashed right from the start of the game. And as you mentioned, you can't search people well enough to check everyone. I certainly would stop going to games if I had to show up an hour or 2 early just to get serached. On a side note, it's funny some people get checked and some don't. There was an old man (probably pushing 70) and his wife that side beside us last year and EVERY game he smuggled a mickey of Wiser's in. We asked him how he gets away with it and he said he's NEVER been searched in the last 15 years or so. Would you suspect a crippled up old man and his little bitty wife to be booze smugglers? lol

Originally Posted by Doogie58

One thing I wonder, is do they post more security in the sections that get closer to the "Suitor 50/50" mix of fans as opposed to the middle of the stands which are predominately Red and the greens that are there (Regina or Edmonton) are more than likely season ticket holders who aren't going to crap their own beds so to speak. That way security can see issues developing before the CPS has to wade in (and now ALWAYS on YouTube) and look mean and nasty while just doing their jobs....

Typically in most stadiums/event venues, they would station more security in the higher risk areas of incident. Whether it's by colour of jersey's or just past history with a certain section (IE: Section 28 in Regina is the University section. It's where all the young kids sit and get trashed at games). Part of the issue may also be at the hands of the security. Is it just some 60 year old collecting his $8/hour and watching the whole football game, or is it someone that is actually doing their job? Are the security staff highly visable? A lot of times working security is a pressence thing more than anything. If you walk into 7-11 with the intentions of stealing a candy bar, would you still do it if the clerk was looking right at you the whole time? Probably not. If a security person sees something are they smart enough to be able to decide if the situation will defuse itself or if it will esculate? How far do they let it go? Do they step in first while waiting for the cops or just let someone else deal with it.

[Enosbones]

I would have enjoyed seeing those two drunkens morons tasered once they kept struggling. Watching them twitch around on the ground would have made the video an epic piece of entertainment.

[Lefty]

Originally Posted by JoeSixpack

Idiots. When the cop asks you to leave, you leave. The first guy they approached did the exact right thing - they tag you, you get up and move to the asile and explain yourself then. Getting in their face and/or completely ignoring them is NOT going to win you any friends. It's not like the cops are going to say "oh, he's ignoring me, I guess we'll move on to someone else".

Morons.

Exactly. If you watch the video carefully you can see that after going quietly with the security officers, the first guy is allowed back to his seat.

Either that or he escaped!

[redwhit2005]

Originally Posted by thecoach17

I don't mean to be insensitive about this, but what is the big deal with the rowdy fans? I mean I get it when there are some overly rowdy fans it gets annoying and can ruin the experience for 1 or 2 fans close by, but as a person that has worked security for a major arena and stadium for major events, having 15-20 people ejected in a 35,000 person crowd is peanuts. That's like a half of a half of a percent of the people that are atteneding. I've seen more people get kicked out of a bar/caberat of 500-1000 people in one night. Not saying that it's acceptable for people to act like retards, but it's not like it's a mass riot of 35,000 people...it's one in every 2000 people.

And there's no way anyone can blame anyone on this video....just like every other police brutality video...the camera's never start rolling until the cops show up and start being forceful...you never see what lead up to it. The dude in the moustache may have been the guy retaliating to something that didn't get noticed at first...no one knows for sure.

They do not give exact numbers for a reason. I am sure there were more than what is stated. Your right though these half wits that just found out they have a video camera on their phone only capture half the story. The cops are called in as a last resort and thats because mMr. Tough nitwit whats to show to the world how tough he is until he is in the police van bawling his eyes out saying he has a family and a job. Big hairy deal act like adult at a game and you would not have to be babysat. It truly is a sad world when we have to have babysitters at a football game to throw out the trash or arrest nitwits. Maybe they should set up a cage at the end of the field collect these drunken fools and put in the cage with each other for all to see. It may do nothing for most people but it should would expose the fools that go to these games.

[redwhit2005]

Originally Posted by RJ*

what did the cops do wrong here?
Nothing

Figure out the names of the retards that resisted, and make sure they dont come back. In a perfect world, there would be some footage of the people throwing beer cans, and they could go bye bye too

The police didnt start using force until the retard resisted him, and after that, they did their best to get the situation (which wasnt good but hardly a riot) resolved quickly

Please do not use the word retard. A person with special needs would never ever act like these morons. RJ I am assigning you to "Light up a childs life" so you will understand. I am sure you do already and use it as an expression of speech but why dirty special needs people with scum.

[redwhit2005]

Originally Posted by thecoach17

The Riders dabbled with the banning booze issue after the beer can throwing incident. In the end it ended up looking like FAR too big of a loss in revenue and a bigger security risk...now people would likely just smuggle it in, and they would likely get piled before the game, so rather than dealing with people reasonably sober at the start of the game and gradually getting worse, they would be dealing with people that are trashed right from the start of the game. And as you mentioned, you can't search people well enough to check everyone. I certainly would stop going to games if I had to show up an hour or 2 early just to get serached. On a side note, it's funny some people get checked and some don't. There was an old man (probably pushing 70) and his wife that side beside us last year and EVERY game he smuggled a mickey of Wiser's in. We asked him how he gets away with it and he said he's NEVER been searched in the last 15 years or so. Would you suspect a crippled up old man and his little bitty wife to be booze smugglers? lol




Typically in most stadiums/event venues, they would station more security in the higher risk areas of incident. Whether it's by colour of jersey's or just past history with a certain section (IE: Section 28 in Regina is the University section. It's where all the young kids sit and get trashed at games). Part of the issue may also be at the hands of the security. Is it just some 60 year old collecting his $8/hour and watching the whole football game, or is it someone that is actually doing their job? Are the security staff highly visable? A lot of times working security is a pressence thing more than anything. If you walk into 7-11 with the intentions of stealing a candy bar, would you still do it if the clerk was looking right at you the whole time? Probably not. If a security person sees something are they smart enough to be able to decide if the situation will defuse itself or if it will esculate? How far do they let it go? Do they step in first while waiting for the cops or just let someone else deal with it.

Sorry the visibility thing does not work with morons that are so drunk they can not see what the hell they are doing. They do it regardless. They do it for attention and possibly the chance guys like Suitor will idolize them. Start laying charges and have these idiots pay towards the security at the events. Once they start paying out of pocket they will either quit going or quit being jack behinds. One thing you are correct on by now they no where the most problems are have officers sit amongst the crowd and then possibly subdue anything from coming unglued.

[Childress]

Originally Posted by thecoach17

The Riders dabbled with the banning booze issue after the beer can throwing incident. In the end it ended up looking like FAR too big of a loss in revenue and a bigger security risk...now people would likely just smuggle it in, and they would likely get piled before the game, so rather than dealing with people reasonably sober at the start of the game and gradually getting worse, they would be dealing with people that are trashed right from the start of the game. And as you mentioned, you can't search people well enough to check everyone. I certainly would stop going to games if I had to show up an hour or 2 early just to get serached. On a side note, it's funny some people get checked and some don't. There was an old man (probably pushing 70) and his wife that side beside us last year and EVERY game he smuggled a mickey of Wiser's in. We asked him how he gets away with it and he said he's NEVER been searched in the last 15 years or so. Would you suspect a crippled up old man and his little bitty wife to be booze smugglers? lol

I'd also bet that he doesn't get hammered and obnoxious and wrestle with police. There is a reason why some get searched and some don't. When I was a 20-something, I always got searched - even though I was always clean. The reason was because of my age and size.

[crazy_eoj]

I think they should just randomly tase people wearing green and being annoying.

I bet that would calm things down completely.